Magic/Kings Trade Rumor...?

by Ben Q Rock on Feb 19, 2008 1:58 PM PST

Poster "BriceC0815" at John Denton's Magic board posted a link to this page at another board (PG-13 for language), which details some Magic/Kings trade rumors.

Brad Miller and Francisco Garcia for Carlos Arroyo, Keith Bogans, and Pat Garrity. (Trade Machine)

Kenny Thomas and Garcia for Arroyo, Bogans, and Garrity. (Trade Machine)

Very interesting, but I don't see why Sacramento would make the Miller deal. Sure, it'd free-up some salary, but I doubt Geoff Petrie would make any trade in which he gives up the two best players in it. The Thomas deal makes more sense for Sacramento, but even Otis Smith has to realize that Kenny Thomas is no-good...

...right?

What do you guys think about these rumors? Could they possibly be legitimate?

And before you ask: Hedo Turkoglu is not available.

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That's all speculation

the only thing worth noting in that is that one of the admins says this:

You guys are in talks with Sacramento right now, I know that

That's pretty much it. Then the admin mentions the above trades saying that's what the Kigns offered, but doesn't link to a source. It's all really sketchy.

The Magic would be looking for a two and a 4/5. Cisco is the most-takable-but-still-desireable wing on this team, so I assume that's why he got brought up. Brad Miller was brought up b/c he makes so much sense on the Magic. But I don't see Petrie making that move, at all. Too much talent given up.

No one is available outside of their crap, not even JJ who SVG has put in a casket for the season. It's just hardcore fandom doing what we all do best: trying to make our team better via craziness.

The K-9 trade? Sure, why not? Waive 'em all, pick up 3-Will (again). Cisco wasn't going to get the playing time anyway, let's face it.

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by iashwash on Feb 19, 2008 2:53 PM PST 0 recs

So, I've been reading through this

and this Admin_Eze seems to know some deep isht. I have no idea where he's getting it from.

Kings have offered Kenny Thomas and Garcia for Arroyo, Garrity, and Bogans (haven't heard anything on any picks involved either way)

Kings have offered Brad Miller and Garcia for Arroyo, Garrity, Redick, and Bogans, and the Kings would then cut Anthony Johnson and Lorenzen Wright. And again, haven't heard any details on any draft picks in this either, though I'm almost positive there will be some involved)

Petrie isn't keen on parting with Garcia in a Miller deal, and prefers to send Douby...and has countered with that but the Garcia/Miller deal is what the Magic prefer out of all the situations and as far as I know, that is the deal getting the most play.

I mean, how does he know that, if he's not working in one of their front offices?

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by iashwash on Feb 19, 2008 3:03 PM PST up 0 recs

weirdness

The entire RealGM magic board is viewing this thread. The funny thing is, most of them are calling our source bogus. That's pretty funny. They have no idea who Eze is (they just think he is a mod on these boards) and have no idea how legit our board is. Losers.

wtf? this Admin_Eze guy also says there is an 11:00 am PST deadline tomorrow for this deal going down.

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by iashwash on Feb 19, 2008 3:08 PM PST up 0 recs

Eze

I hadn't ever visited that board before today, but apparently this Eze guy knew about the Shaq and Gasol deals before anyone else did.

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by Ben Q Rock on Feb 19, 2008 3:17 PM PST up 0 recs

according to him

He's the god-of-all trades:

Shaq trade.....Kidd trade...Iverson trade...the KG trade...the Ray Allen trade...the list goes on.

Tons of signings before they happened...

Impressive, to say the least.

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by iashwash on Feb 19, 2008 3:25 PM PST up 0 recs

Miller/Garcia

Miller doesn't make sense because of his salary and his age, but I'd take him if the price were right. I like Garcia a ton, but we already have Lewis and Turkoglu at the three... and Garcia isn't taking those minutes unless he shifts to the two. Redick is expendable if we get Garcia.

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by Ben Q Rock on Feb 19, 2008 3:20 PM PST up 0 recs

Miller is the perfect fit.

Brad is a spectacular passer and outside shooter. He will draw the defense off of Howard and find open shots for Hedo and Lewis.

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by jjham15 on Feb 19, 2008 4:51 PM PST up 0 recs

I agree

I have no problems with Miller's skill-set, but he is a bit overpaid. If he had a more reasonable contract, at be chomping at the bit to acquire him.

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by Ben Q Rock on Feb 19, 2008 5:09 PM PST up 0 recs

That's the rub.

If he had a reasonable contract, the Kings wouldn't be trying to deal him.

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by iashwash on Feb 19, 2008 5:18 PM PST up 0 recs

I forgot you sign the checks....

Orlando is already screwed cap wise for the foreseeable future, why not add a high skill player with play-off experience. The East is up for the taking, if I'm a fan, not a capoligist I would jump all over this deal. Neither Brads' passing skills or BB IQ is going to regress in the next 2 years so the Magic might as well go for broke. And then when Brad is all used up you have a few mill to play with.

If the Kings were in the same position(playoff team with no clear #1 ahead of them)? Adding 14.4/9.7/3.6 that complements your roster would be a dream.

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by jjham15 on Feb 19, 2008 7:07 PM PST up 0 recs

Brad

That's an interesting perspective. There's no chance the Magic would go into the luxury tax, but yeah, Miller is a guy to consider.

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by Ben Q Rock on Feb 19, 2008 7:52 PM PST up 0 recs

I brought this up in an earlier diary

Assuming you guys don't give up too much to get him (which you won't - I'm suggesting Cook, Reddick, Battie and if you guys are feeling generous a pick), Miller will give you guys the element that Howard-and-4-shooters needs: a distributor. Howard-a-distributor-and-3-shooters is a much sounder philosiphy, and will take the Magic back to the level of play it had during its hot start. We've seen Brad play PF with Vlade, we've seen hit at the high-post, at the top of the key, even outside the arc when left open, so he'll creat such fantastical spacing that Howard will find himself uniquely positioned. Oh yeah, and he boards pretty decently. He's not going to help out your D though, sad to say. But it's two years of your five-year deal, so if the experiment is failing with half a year left on his contract - flip his expiring deal for some other pieces, and you'll still have three years of Shard-Howard-Nelson left to compete.

It's a good move by the Magic, if they don't mind paying tax (and if you offer 'Shard $120 mill, you better not mind paying tax).

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by iashwash on Feb 19, 2008 8:22 PM PST up 0 recs

That trade

It sounds pretty good. I love Brad Miller's skills. Rich DeVos will never consider going over the luxury tax, though.

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by Ben Q Rock on Feb 20, 2008 9:02 AM PST up 0 recs

You mean again right?

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by pookeyguru on Feb 20, 2008 11:12 AM PST up 0 recs

Re: You mean again right?

When's the last time he paid the tax?

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by Ben Q Rock on Feb 20, 2008 5:32 PM PST up 0 recs

Last season I think

I think he paid tax during the Doug Christie era, with even noting he didn't pay tax on DC's contract.

This is where I got the idea that DeVoss paid luxury tax. Maybe Coon is wrong. Lord knows I often am.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 20, 2008 5:57 PM PST up 0 recs

Actually not last season

The season before that so we're clear.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 20, 2008 6:00 PM PST up 0 recs

Good catch

Thanks for that.

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by Ben Q Rock on Feb 20, 2008 6:49 PM PST up 0 recs

Denton

Supposedly an "ax" on trade rumors for that board, says it's no go.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 19, 2008 3:20 PM PST 0 recs

You're right.

Denton debunks the rumor.

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by Ben Q Rock on Feb 19, 2008 3:25 PM PST up 0 recs

A deal for Kleiza

would make Cisco much more tradable.

But I don't see dealing Brad Miller, who's playing out of his mind this season, for that kind of bench fodder. Even if it means unloading Kenny's contract.

Maybe I'm missing something but when I see these Orlando names I don't see anybody who can help the Kings, now or next season. I just don't think Geoff would make a move like that while getting so little value in return.

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by Mucho Moss on Feb 19, 2008 3:22 PM PST 0 recs

Just a thought...

Arroyo gives the Kings a pretty competent backup point guard, and would allow them to trade/cut either Johnson or Lue.

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by Ben Q Rock on Feb 19, 2008 3:27 PM PST up 0 recs

I'd rather the

Cisco/Douby-At-The-Point experiments continue. Or play Salmons as a point-forward. Those are the options a team has when it's got something known as a passing big man.

Why would we trade Mike Bibby only to trade for the Puertorican Mike Bibby?

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by iashwash on Feb 19, 2008 3:31 PM PST up 0 recs

Bibby/Arroyo

Why would we trade Mike Bibby only to trade for the Puertorican Mike Bibby?

Good point. The Puerto Rican Bibby has a $4 million expiring contract. That's about all I can think of.

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by Ben Q Rock on Feb 19, 2008 3:36 PM PST up 0 recs

Knew I was going to get called on that.

but still didn't explain fully.

Kings're trading for a $4 million expiring contract - not a player the Kings will actually utilize. So, my point still stands: I don't think he'll play much, and I don't think that Carlos Arroyo specifically is what is helping Petrie makes this trade. The Kings have admitted they're not trying to win this year by their moves.

I didn't make that clear b/c I was too busy following the insanity of that thread. I also misinterpreted your comment - you were just saying that use-Carlos-as-the-Point is an example of an upside of the trade; originally I read it as "this is one of the contributing factors for Petrie making the trade." My mistake, that point is very valid, though supposedly Lue is trying to be flipped anyway.

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by iashwash on Feb 19, 2008 3:45 PM PST up 0 recs

'los

Kings're trading for a $4 million expiring contract - not a player the Kings will actually utilize. So, my point still stands: I don't think he'll play much, and I don't think that Carlos Arroyo specifically is what is helping Petrie makes this trade. The Kings have admitted they're not trying to win this year by their moves.

He's gotta be better than Anthony Johnson though, right? I mean, he may have an expiring contract, but he's also still a fairly productive player. I'm not saying the deal overall makes sense for Sacramento, but it's not like Arroyo is completely useless to you guys. I read elsewhere earlier today the Suns were interested in Tyronn Lue. Y'all could always send him Phoenix's way, maybe get something out of it.

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by Ben Q Rock on Feb 19, 2008 4:02 PM PST up 0 recs

RE:

Played with some ideas for Lue, not sure how many teams see him worth a 2nd round pick (except for the Suns, who just sell them). So, yeah, that's what I meant about the Kings trying to flip him, sned him to someone else.

As for Arroyo, let me get this straight: I like the guy, and got love for any Prican ballers in the league. But I don't see the point in the Kings trying to use him much, especially since he's gone by summertime. Trading him out is a solution, maybe help in bolstering another trade, but to use him at the point when we want Douby, Cisco, K-Mart and Beno to have all the playing time in the world? Not really...

He is much better than Johnson, but I don't expect to see Johnson in a Kings uni for much longer either.

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by iashwash on Feb 19, 2008 5:24 PM PST up 0 recs

Right...

It makes no sense for Sacramento to rent a back-up point guard for three months, and that's all Arroyo is. Being better than Anthony Johnson might be worth something if we were trying to make the playoffs but it doesn't really amount to much when you're looking at this long term.

And as much as Petrie would love to dump more salary, his MO seems to be to seek talent with some upside and/or draft picks in any deal. For example, he loved getting C-Webb's salary off the books but he also brought in players who could potentially help the team for a few years in that deal. He just did the same thing getting Shelden "The Landlord" Williams

So, IMO, expiring contracts or not, Petrie ain't gonna accept a wheelbarrow full of spare parts in exchange for Brad Miller, who's trade value has been revived, and could still fetch a decent return in the off season.

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by Mucho Moss on Feb 19, 2008 11:16 PM PST up 0 recs

Sorry

We already have a boatload of "competent" and "productive" and "decent" players, and if the majority here have their way, it may be all we have pretty soon. Of course, if they are also model citizens, please send them our way. As long as we are going to be losers, we might as well be "nice" losers who are "fun to watch" because we are "trying hard."

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 19, 2008 3:35 PM PST 0 recs

Re: Sorry

We already have a boatload of "competent" and "productive" and "decent" players, and if the majority here have their way, it may be all we have pretty soon. Of course, if they are also model citizens, please send them our way. As long as we are going to be losers, we might as well be "nice" losers who are "fun to watch" because we are "trying hard."

There's a Ron Artest joke in here somewhere.

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by Ben Q Rock on Feb 19, 2008 3:37 PM PST up 0 recs

Dont trade 'Cisco

Let Douby go instead. I still think 'Cisco can be a vital part of this team, and letting him go for essentially a salary dump seems like a bad idea. Just switch Garcia for Douby in either trade, and I am down. I GREATLY prefer the second trade to the first though.

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by 27freethrows on Feb 19, 2008 4:08 PM PST 0 recs

Quincy

Is he the guy who teabagged Carlos Boozer last year? Or was that Price?

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by Ben Q Rock on Feb 19, 2008 4:14 PM PST up 0 recs

LOL

That was Ronnie Price.

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by otis29 on Feb 19, 2008 4:20 PM PST up 0 recs

We just need to put all of these trades together

Like this
Kings also get Orlando's #1. Then we package Orlando's #1 or our 2 #2s if they'd take that and Lue to PHO for Atl's #1 and the trade exception.

So when it all shakes out we'd have traded Bibby/Artest/Thomas for Williams/Kleiza and decent #1. If it has to be Miller instead of Thomas or we have to add Douby or Cisco(least desirable), that'd probably ok too.

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 19, 2008 6:00 PM PST 0 recs

That one

I'm amenable to it if Miller is substituted for Thomas, whom I don't want under any circumstances.

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by Ben Q Rock on Feb 19, 2008 6:34 PM PST up 0 recs

C'mon Ben Q!

You stole SVG. Take K9(woof!) off our hands and we'll consider it even.

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by section214 on Feb 19, 2008 6:39 PM PST up 0 recs

Stan

He came here of his own accord. There was no theft involved.

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by Ben Q Rock on Feb 19, 2008 7:51 PM PST up 0 recs

It worked out for us

Theus is a nice hunk of man-meat to have on the sidelines, especially when compared to SVG. No homo, it's just so much easier to take Theus seriously.

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by iashwash on Feb 19, 2008 8:11 PM PST up 0 recs